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Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
lbyard Jul-30-02 10:09 AM
I wouldn't do this either. Why buy a gforce4 if you are going to underclock it, etc? Simply buy a cheaper and slower board. I'm still running a Viper 770 (the one without the fan) and it is all I need. Larry


1. RE: Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
deerslayer Aug-11-02 12:34 PM
In response to message 0
Actually I think underclocking a GF4 is not very good for it. I tend to do the opposite. :-P

Broke 14k with 3Dmark 2001 with a Abit IT7MAX, 2.26 @ 3.03, GF4.

2. RE: Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
lbyard Aug-12-02 01:10 PM
In response to message 1
I don't know if this is relevant, but I tried underclocking DDR memory (DDR333 to DDR266) on an Abit KX7-333 last night and it will not post (dead) that way. No, I do not normally underclock. That would be even more conservative than I am. I wanted to underclock it to simulate a KT266A chipset (don't ask me why, please). As it turns-out preliminary benchmarks show a KT333 chipset with a 1.6 gig 1900+ Athlon and DDR333 memory (not underclocked) has almost indentical numbers as a KT266A with a 1.4 gig 1600+ Athlon and DDR266 memory. The effective 266 MHz FSB on the Athlon is a real bottleneck/dead-end. Larry

3. RE: Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
deerslayer Aug-16-02 08:59 PM
In response to message 2
I was not impressed with the KT333 chipset at all. It is not any faster then a Abit KR7A KT266a with both at default speeds. The 1/5 pci divider kicking in on the KX7-333 @ 166 fsb is the only advantage I saw. At 166 on a KT333 board your agp/pci is back to 66/33 just like when @ 133 fsb. This requires an Unlocked processor, which though difficult is not that hard when you get used to it. Then you could run a processor @ basically default MHZ, with a much higher fsb. The Kr7a board will stress components with prolonged exposure because of the 1/4 divider.

Abit is coming out with the AT7 Max 2 soon, looks impressive. KT400 chipset


I will stick with my P4's until hammer time.

7. RE: Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
lbyard Aug-19-02 04:07 PM
In response to message 3
I am not impressed with either chipset. The KT400 does not support DDR400 memory. That is, I'm not impressed when the KT333 is compared to the KT266A. But, as a replacement to my 500 MHz K6-2, it does just fine. You want performance, get one of those 80 gig WD drives with 8 MBytes of cache' (or any real high performance drive). That makes more of a difference from my perspective than 1 GHz in CPU speed and DDR this or that.

So, all of a sudden we aren't hearing "Intel inside" from our Intel overclocker. I hear, yes, I hear a faint AMD. Hammer appears to an appropriate name. I don't know why Intel is doing what they are doing (not doing), but of course this is not the first time they have come-out with a dud (or not come-out with chip people want). I can remember some years ago when there was an Intel craze about an object-oriented processor (canít think of the name/number). It was an expensive, slow, disaster. People are not going to drop x86 software for 64-bits. AMD should win big time. Larry

8. RE: Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
deerslayer Aug-20-02 08:49 PM
In response to message 7
Well AMD's problem is that Hammer has been pushed back several times, just like the Tbreds were. Keep missing release dates and, well remember 3DFx?
As far as Intel ,they are doing a decent job as far as staying on schedule of the roadmap. 3 gig northwoods by Christmas.
Also Intel has a .09 micron process in the works that should be excellent.
Comparing a XP 2100+, epox 8K3a+, Gf4 video card with a Intel 1.6a, Abit It7 ( or BD7) and the same video card, with everything overclocked, I scored 1000 points higher on 3Dmark2001. With a 2.26B P4, was 1600 points higher then the XP athlon.
I gave AMD a fair shot with a 1.33Tbird, 1.4Tbird, XP 1900+ and a 2100+ over about 18 months. As it stands right now for the overclocker, or someone that wants to dish out the $ for a 2.53 P4, Intel just outperforms AMD. Oh, and when I bought my 1.6a it was $130 .
I see AMD is finally going with the heatspreader like Intel as well.

9. RE: Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
lbyard Aug-20-02 11:05 PM
In response to message 8
Agree. As I don't over clock, never buy top-of-the-line, and use my computer for word processing, web design, spreadsheets, some graphics, and the like, AMD makes good economic sense. Yes, AMD has slippages and Intel is meeting its road map. The Intel killer is that the Intel's road map does not include a 64-bit X86 processor. The rational I hear about users not needing a 64-bit CPU is similar to rational Iíve heard before (and heard when the 32-bit 386 came out). Larry

"I think there's a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas Watson
Chairman of IBM (1958)

"There is no reason why anyone would want to have a computer in their home."
Ken Olsen
President, Digital Equipment Corporation (1977)

"640K ought be enough for anybody."† <640 KBytes of computer memory>
Bill Gates (1981)

10. RE: Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
deerslayer Aug-22-02 10:03 PM
In response to message 9
Love those quotes!!!

AMD announcement looks good! 2600+ looks snazzy.
Just wonder when they are going to start selling cpus at a price where they can make a profit. Underpricing Intel is only going to doom them economically, and that is that last thing anyone wants.

11. RE: Ultimate Underclock & Undervolt Project
lbyard Aug-22-02 10:10 PM
In response to message 10
Frankly, I think all processors used in PCs are grossly overpriced. Larry

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