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Norton Ghost
Jim P Dec-14-00 04:16 AM
With your help, my windows 98se pc is running better than ever. It's working so well, I've been thinking about how best to back up my system so I can return it to this state when things start to go wrong. I use CD-RWs to back up data, and use MS Backup periodically on my C drive. I recall reading somewhere that restoring the windows registry from a backup is not as effective as restoring an image of the entire partition. I've got Norton Ghost, and an available partition on a separate hard disk to store the image.

What's your advice on backing up the system, where backing up data is not an issue?
Thanks very much. Jim

1. RE: Norton Ghost
lbyard Dec-14-00 04:23 PM
In response to message 0
I have Norton ghost (EpoX includes it with their motherboards), but have not played with it much… What you suggest is what I would try I did not have Partition Magic. Although I use Microsoft Backup to backup my data files, I have seen too many cases of mucked-up registries, etc. when doing a full backup/restore, as Microsoft recommends for moving everything from one hard disk to another. And it takes a lot of time. Specifically, Microsoft recommends doing a full backup of all files on the old hard disk, including the registry, install Windows and MS Backup on the new hard disk, and use MS Backup to do a full restore of the backup made of the old hard disk. I usually backup the data (My Documents, C:\windows\favorites, C:\windows\cookies, C:\windows\*.pwl, etc.) on the old drive with MS Backup (it works fine for that), disconnect the CD-ROM, connect the new drive to the Secondary IDE interface (an image transfer is faster with the drives connected to separate IDE interfaces) and (carefully) use Partition Magic to copy an image of the old drive to the new drive, disconnect the old drive (to preclude accidentally wiping it out), connect the new drive to the Primary IDE Interface, check that it will boot (sometimes I have to SYS the drive) expand the partition, test the new drive, etc., and connect the old drive as a Slave to the new drive. I usually do not wipeout the old drive or the data backup for several days to be sure the new drive is working OK. Lecture: Never wipeout a drive without at least a second back up of the data. A cardinal rule learned the hard way... never create a situation where you have less than two copies of your data; one copy may be corrupted. I try to maintain three copies. Never do this kind of work when you are tired and never rush it. Move one copy of your most critical data to another location to protect to from a fire, etc.—End Lecture. I would test the procedure with Ghost on a scratch drive. Do this at your own risk. Larry

2. RE: Norton Ghost
Jim P Dec-14-00 07:53 PM
In response to message 1
So the process of backing up and restoring a C: drive can be the same as upgrading a hard disk. Image the disk, reformat it (would you do "format c: /s"?), and restore the image by whatever dos utility was used to make it.

Oh, and thanks for the lecture. Not that I need it - I've only formatted the wrong disk once this month. Jim

3. RE: Norton Ghost
lbyard Dec-15-00 01:53 PM
In response to message 2
You should be able to copy an image of a drive partition (which can be the whole drive or part of it) to a new, raw hard disk drive out of the box without parting or formatting it. The image is an image of a formatted partition… Larry

4. RE: Norton Ghost
BBATES Dec-18-00 00:21 AM
In response to message 3
Sounds like you need to create your own restoration cd. If you have a cd/rw drive, cd writer software, and ghost you can create a restoration disk that will restore your system from dos in the event of total system failure. If you would like I can email you directions. My father-in-law asked if I could send him directions so I sat down and typed everything out for him. If you would like I can email them to you. When I restore my system using the restoration cd, it takes me about 25 min. for a complete system restore. Sure beats a couple of hours! Here is the website that helped me get started creating my restoration cd's: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~rossstew/drs/bootcd.html#contents
It will give you great detail in creting these disks.

5. RE: Norton Ghost
deerslayer Dec-18-00 11:34 AM
In response to message 4
Is it possible to run a homemade restoration cd after booting to a win98/me boot disk? My cd rom won't boot from a cd. i have it set in bios but doesn't work.

7. RE: Norton Ghost
lbyard Dec-18-00 03:07 PM
In response to message 5
It shouldn't make any difference which you boot from, except, of course, you can't boot the CD. Both behave the same--bootup the same things.

6. RE: Norton Ghost
diletante Dec-18-00 02:43 PM
In response to message 3
I have used Ghost to make a backup as you describe. The only problem I encountered was with Norton SystemWorks, which wanted to resolve all the shortcuts and file references on the image drive. Since the drive letter had changed, lots of problems showed up. It was a mess that could have been avoided if I had been thinking.

I didn't need to use my backups, but my recovery plan was to simply swap the image drive to C: and boot. I am using other backup methods now, since imaging the drive seemed like overkill for my purposes.


8. RE: Norton Ghost
BBATES Dec-19-00 00:20 AM
In response to message 6
I have only imaged my boot drive and I haven't had any of the problems you described. I create a restore cd when I have my computer running well and then use Microsoft backup as an incremental backup program. The only time I reimage my drive is if I install new software or change hardware.

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