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PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix??
Twinhead Apr-05-02 08:37 AM
Now I have a Problem...

I have 2 Trust voodoo Dragon-2 cards in SLI mode in my system.
With a Celeron 600 (66*9) it is working perfectly.
When I plug in a Celeron-2 900 (100*9), or a 1 GHz (100*10), or a PIII 1GHz (133*7.5) the cards will not function anymore.
Underclocking the Celerons to ~600 is no problem.
They do work fine again.
Underclocking the PIII to 500 MHz is also no problem.
(Works also fine)
All the other programs are unaffected and wil work with all tried CPU's.
I have wrote a program to softwarematically bring the CPU speed down to try the effect.
Same result.
On 900 MHz it is not working.
On 600 MHz (900*0.66) it works good.
Also being to the Site of Trust to download the latest drivers...
No luck either!

System:
Asus CUSL2-C Mainboard (Socket 370)
512 Mb Memory (2*256, PC133)
And a varaiety of CPU's.

Buying an AGP 3D controller is not an option, beceause i have a dozen games that do NOT accept this.

Anyone have a idea?


1. RE: PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix??
deerslayer Apr-22-02 06:37 AM
In response to message 0
sounds like you need a better power supply to me.
also you said

Buying an AGP 3D controller is not an option, beceause i have a dozen games that do NOT accept this.

?????????????? you mean an AGP video card? explain?


2. RE: PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix??
Twinhead Apr-22-02 03:38 PM
In response to message 1
Yes, the AGP 2D/3D videocard such as the VOODOO 4 & 5 and also the Nvidia types.

I have Unreal, Unreal Tournament, Need for Speed II, Quake II, Descent 3D, Outcast and Starsiege.

All tried on such cards, but does not work.

That of the PSU can be a tip.
Since i have a 250 Watt in it, More power could just do it!
Stupid of me that i never came up to it....

Victor.


3. RE: PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix??
Twinhead May-27-02 10:18 AM
In response to message 1
Sorry to tell you that it was NOT the Power supply Unit.
I have changed it for a 400 Watt type, and exactly the same problem still exist.
Since i run a Celeron now at 600 MHz (Real 600, Not OC'ed) it is working perfctly.
After a few months of running 900 MHz without any other failure then the 3D, A Celeron 600 is a very reliable chip.

Victor.


4. RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead May-29-02 03:31 PM
In response to message 0
Geee, my problem is SOLVED!!

But why do I have to download and install drivers written for an AMD Athlon CPU to run it perfectly on an Intel Celeron??

As you see, I had deinstalled the cards drivers completely.
I even deleted the specific .INF files from ALL the drives where i found it.
Then i went on the Internet.
From www.3dfx.com i foun drivers for an AMD Athlon.
"Who not try, who not win" i thought, and downloaded a ZIP file with 12 Megs of drivers.
Installed them and it works flawless now!
Very smooth buildup without holdups!
Even with a 1Ghz PIII.


5. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
lbyard May-30-02 03:24 PM
In response to message 4
I guess Intel CPUs must be compatible with the standard CPU, AMD. Are you there, deerslayer? Larry

6. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead Jun-10-02 04:22 PM
In response to message 5
AMD or not "the Standard", it is really working fine and flawless for over a week now!
Just finished playing A2 Racer.
Totally without a stutter!
I got these drivers from a 3rd party, not from the maker of the accelerator boards (2 PCI cards).
I have now low regards from Trust by seeing these drivers in action.

Victor.


7. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
lbyard Jun-10-02 05:28 PM
In response to message 6
Wish I had some time for play… I've got a new motherboard, 1900+, and DDR memory sitting on my workbench earmarked to replace the socket 7 in my machine... Never, has Larry let an upgrade go like that, especially after such a long time. In the past I'd be up all night (if that's what it took) doing it on the day the stuff arrived. But, right now, I’ve been very busy tailoring and testing software for our new Online Store. I should have it done in a few days (that’s what I said three weeks ago). Good software, but it’s in Beta and has some problems. The best part is that it’s free. I’ve been working on it (and the IE 6 cookie/privacy thing—finally got that one fixed and the forum is working OK now) day and night and weekends… See http://www.oscommerce.com/osCommerce/ for a demo of things to come. Larry

8. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead Jun-11-02 07:56 AM
In response to message 7
LAST EDITED ON Jun-11-02 AT 08:01 AM (EDT)
 
Hello Larry.

I gave that URL a try, but i cannot register with it the first time.
The failure message is:

Errors have occoured during process of your form!
Please make the following corrections:

* The 'State' entry must be selected.

But in that field i can only select "Type below".
I entered NL (The Netherlands) and the failure reoccours.

But, if I type "The Netherlands" fully, it works!
Tel the users that "There should be at least (%min_number%) Characters present."

I am now successfully registered with OsCommerce.

Victor.


9. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
lbyard Jun-11-02 09:29 AM
In response to message 8
Victor, it is just a demo site for the software… I think they have already changed the state/province field. Larry

10. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead Jun-12-02 06:30 AM
In response to message 9
LAST EDITED ON Jun-12-02 AT 06:32 AM (EDT)
 
Well, i will visit that site now an then, and zee if they did.

Victor.

Back again...

Yep, they have changed it now!

(Over and out for This thread)


11. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
deerslayer Jun-18-02 09:19 PM
In response to message 10
You mentioned several games . Everyone you mentioned WILL play with a AGP video card. Where or how you came to that conclusion I would love to know. You will also see a big improvement in game performance with a more up to date card. ( Geforce 4 ti series ot Ati 8500 are all good cards).

In reply to:

guess Intel CPUs must be compatible with the standard CPU, AMD. Are you there, deerslayer? Larry

Of course, lost track of this thread. Just had another thought for the original poster. The 900 celeron's are coppermine core, did you update your bios?
Will not work without it.


12. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead Jun-19-02 02:21 AM
In response to message 11
How did YOU get these to work ??!?

I meight not be the smartest in Software, but if it does not work with me and Patches did not help, i wil stay a while with my PCI stuff.

I have the ASUS CUSL2-C with BIOS version 1009 (Flashed it, i HAD 1003 from the shop).
I am shure it IS supporting the Coppermine CPU as it will now see it correctly in BIOS.

Victor.


13. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
deerslayer Jun-19-02 11:09 PM
In response to message 12
Never had a problem getting games to work with AGP card. Usually run the official drivers and good to go.
WEll you are going to need a better card for UT2003, your pci card will crumble trying to run it.
Just had another thought. For the 900 celeron, what kind of ram are you using? If it is pc 66 it wont clock to 100 fsb most likely which is the 900 default. If it is pc 100/133 try changing your ram timings to the slowest settings.

14. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead Jun-20-02 01:51 AM
In response to message 13
Try to slowing my RAM....

Now THAT is impossible with my Mainboard.
I have a genuine 600 MHz Celeron, OC'd to 900.

Now it is back on 600 after a few months of "hard working" for it.
See that as a Burn In test.

My FSB is 66, my PCI is 33 but my RAM?? That cannot go lower then 100!
It is 133MHz SD-Ram. (Didn't I stated it in my initial post?)

I am sure that the newest games will run flawlessly on an AGP card.
If my PCI cards (two in SLI mode) cannot keep up anymore, i will change to AGP.
I now have a Standard 32 Megs AGP videoboard.

Victor.


16. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
deerslayer Jun-20-02 02:51 PM
In response to message 14
LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-02 AT 02:54 PM (EDT)
 
When you put in the 900 it still doesnt work? ( unless you underclock it?) if so go to advanced chipset in bios and change ram timings to slowest settings just to rule out that it is not the ram causing the problem.With newest bios that cpu should work fine in that board.

Your ram is running @ fsb speed on that board BTW.

Friend of mine has a 733 p3 and a GTS 32 mb agp card. He has slow downs and choppy performace with that card on new games.


17. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead Jun-20-02 03:17 PM
In response to message 16
Yes, with my original 900 it IS working great! (I have tested it)
The 900 Has a 100*9 FSB/Multiple.
But, as i am a DOS lover (At least the games...) it goes way too fast!
I have sold the CPU to a frend who blew his 733 PIII
He suffered from a failing cooler.

18. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
deerslayer Jun-20-02 10:07 PM
In response to message 17
no such thing as too fast.


20. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead Jun-21-02 09:16 AM
In response to message 18
Hmmm, YOU have OC'd your CPU quite a lot!
If your cooling fails for only a minute or so, YOU have a digital barbeque!
162% is quite much!
I never got higher then 150%

21. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
lbyard Jun-21-02 11:13 AM
In response to message 20
A P4 has very good thermal control and might survive. I don't know for sure. http://duxcw.com/dcforum/DCForumID8/95.html. Shall I move this thread to Computer Performance? Larry

22. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
deerslayer Jun-21-02 01:16 PM
In response to message 21
Up to you Larry. The p4 northwoods will throttle down when reaching 60C. BTW my temps under full load are 45c. @ 1.7v Using a volcano 7+ with 4 case fans running about 9v. It is completely stable up to 2.7 @ 1.85V. ( it is a 1.6a P4).

23. RE: RE%3A PCI 3D accelerators and fast CPUs does NOT mix%3F%3F
Twinhead Jun-22-02 02:51 PM
In response to message 21
Hello Larry,

YOU have permission to move this tread to Computer preformance.

Although it was on probs with a PCI accelerator who is solved now.
It is indeed turned to a preformance topic.


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