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OUT OF MEMORY
skor Nov-06-00 02:56 PM
Hi
Can some one help. I have a PIII 600, w/128 mb of Ram. Running Win98SE. If I open up more the 3 browser windows the pc locks up or I get a out of memory error. It wasn't so bad, but since I added a cable modem and the program ZoneAlarm which is a fire wall program it happens all of the time. 128 mb's of Ram should be plenty, shouldn't it? There is not an over abundance of programs running in the background either. Do I
have ram that is going bad. Is there a way to check it, or am I on the wrong track? Should I be
looking for something else?

Thank You
Scott

1. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
lbyard Nov-06-00 06:26 PM
In response to message 0
If you have plenty of hard disk space, you may have defective memory. If you can, try slowing the front side bus down. If the problem then goes away, it is probably bad memory or motherboard. I presume you are not overclocking. Larry

2. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
skor Nov-06-00 11:02 PM
In response to message 1
Hi Larry
Plenty of hard disk space, but how do you slow down the front side bus?

Scott

3. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
lbyard Nov-07-00 04:32 PM
In response to message 2
If it can be done it should be in your motherboard manual. Larry

4. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
Antonius_r3 Aug-05-01 06:18 AM
In response to message 3
I had the same problem now.

My computer is PII 300 MHz..128 MB, and I am running Windows 98 SE.

The first time my windows was fine, but some problems appear and the computer start to hang when I watch Video CD, so I reinstall the Windows 98 SE.

The first instalation is not successfull, but the second time is succesful.

When I start the new Windows 98, it load very slowly. It took about 5 minutes to have the processor stops working. (It ussualy just took about 1 minute)

I have norton Disk Doctor, and I look for the Pyhsical Memory. It's very low, about 3 MB.(It usually have around 10 MB)

Then I ran the Norton Tune Up or something like that. The memory is decreasing very fast, and in the middle of the process the PM is increasing to 51 MB.

It's became 51 MB until the end of the process.

Then I tried to load Eudora. The PM drops from 51 MB to 0 MB. and if I tried to open an Internet Explorer, the computer will hangs.

I thought that there is a problem with my hardware, so I tested it with another HDD that I have, and it runs perfectly with no problem at all.

Could somebody kindly help me ?
Thank you very much in advance.


5. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
waddy Aug-06-01 00:55 AM
In response to message 4
LAST EDITED ON Aug-06-01 AT 00:56 AM (GMT)

get a program called cacheman ... (free) and excellent for low memory systems.. that will fix your problems

http://www.tweakfiles.com/memory/cacheman.html


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6. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
lbyard Aug-06-01 05:03 PM
In response to message 5
128 MB is plenty of memory for most computers. Are you sure you have enough free space on your hard disk drive? Low disk drive space can cause low memory errors. I would also Start, Run, enter msconfig and turn-off unnecessary startup programs. In view of the aborted win 98 install, you may have to start all over and do a clean install of Windows. Larry

7. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
Antonius_r3 Aug-06-01 05:27 PM
In response to message 6
I have enough free space in the hard drive. It's about 4.3 GB, and I also did the MSConfig, I turn all unneccessary program.

It seems that my windows have some problems with the registry or something like that, because when I did Norton Registry Check, the memory would become higher.

The Cacheman helps it very much. I think I would backup all my document and I'm going to format all my Hard drive again. Hope it will helps.

Thank you very much for the help guys.


8. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
waddy Aug-07-01 10:30 AM
In response to message 7
Larry to me anything under 256MB RAM is a low memory system....

With the software (games) nowadays 128MB just dont cut it especially when you multitasking....

Antonius_r3 get cacheman .. trust me that will fix it... also as Larry suggested go to MSCONFIG and remove as much stuff as possible from STARTUP...

i only have the clock ICON in my systray....

or buy another stick of RAM ..its so cheap at the moment......


9. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
Antonius_r3 Aug-07-01 03:50 PM
In response to message 8
Now I am using Cacheman 5, and it helps very much.

I like to buy another memory chip, but next month I am going to upgrade all my system to Palomino with 768 MB of DDR RAM.

Thank you for the help guys.


10. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
lbyard Aug-07-01 06:19 PM
In response to message 8
"640K ought be enough for anybody." <640 KBytes of computer memory>
Bill Gates (1981)

11. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
waddy Aug-08-01 11:33 AM
In response to message 10
hahahahaa

what was he thinking

windows is so bloated with code now its unbeleivable,

wonder if XP is more memory and resource effecient ?


13. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
Elnewbee Aug-09-01 11:29 PM
In response to message 8
>Larry to me anything under 256MB
>RAM is a low memory
>system....
>
>With the software (games) nowadays 128MB
>just dont cut it
>especially when you multitasking....

This all depends on what kind of software you are using. Email software such as Pegasus mail takes less than 2mb and doesnt have any leaks. It can be swapped to hard drive for extra memory, and does not crash. On the other hand, there are quite a mail readers that misbehave under any circumstances but normal ones. I picked out all of my favorite apps on a p75 w/ 32mb and learned quite fast that all programs are not created equal.


14. Memory
Elnewbee Aug-09-01 11:31 PM
In response to message 7
>I have enough free space in
>the hard drive. It's about
>4.3 GB, and I also
>did the MSConfig, I turn
>all unneccessary program.
>

Try setting cacheman to fix your min and max disk cache to the same value. 4-8mb is good.
Also go into control panel > System > Preformance > Virtual memory > Set both min and max sizes to the same value. 128mb-320mb. Sometimes programs dont use the virtual memory but like it to be there... Strange but true.


12. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
Elnewbee Aug-09-01 11:27 PM
In response to message 4
Sounds to me that you have a monkey wrench in your setup. Crashing on startup, failing an install for some unknown reason only to have it succeed again... I would run a test on your system and make sure there is nothing funny. Try taking it to your friendly retailer and asking them to switch out the memory/cpu/video/mobo and test it. Ask them to do a clean install using your CD and see if they run into the same problem. Try installing Linux on your machine, because it gives much more detailed error messages as to what goes wrong with computers.

It's also possible that you have been infected with some sort of virus which is eating up the windows resources... You could have something in your registry that clutters your system memory. (such as a hook to command/open)

Hard drives can sometimes produce strange errors on certain parts of the disk and not others. They will seem to operate normally all but some times...

With 128mb of memory in win98se you should have at LEAST 60mb free once you boot. Some programs are designed so that they will not swap to disk and allow other programs to use their physical memory. Try having an experienced windows user look at it... I would do it if you wanted.


15. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
RedfishMike Oct-15-01 05:51 PM
In response to message 0
Your problem is most likely caused by the disk cache maximum limit is too high or not set. In the System Properties, Performance, File System,
setting "Typical role of this computer" to Network Server sets no maximum on disk cache. Thus, every file transfer, defrag, etc. just keeps increasing the RAM used in the cache. The larger the disk drive, the more of a problem. Use CacheMan, CacheMaster or other program to set these.

16. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
shadi Oct-15-01 09:22 PM
In response to message 0
Replace the memory and see what will happen

17. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
DorXtar Oct-18-01 06:14 AM
In response to message 16
Windows 98, in all of it's patched-up, optimized glory, still leaks like crazy no matter what you do (unless you use cacheman to recover every so often).

My 98 Machine is VERY stable, but after a couple days of running, it starts messing-up. A simple reboot does the trick.

Win 98 does not unload or "refresh" the memory. So after it runs out, it uses the "virtual memory" or swap file on your hard disk.

Most of the time, when a program quits, windows still sees it taking-up space in the memory. I have 512MB of RAM, but I still get "run-out" memory errors.

It's just windows 98. If you have a fast machine, try windows 2000. A much better choice WITH all the newest patches.


18. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
deerslayer Oct-19-01 10:51 AM
In response to message 17
in reply to :
Larry to me anything under 256MB RAM is a low memory system....
With the software (games) nowadays 128MB just dont cut it especially when you multitasking....

Actually as long as you are using 98se, or ME, 128 is fine. I bench 3dmark 2001 with 128 because of the very high fsb I run, I have only ran the new 21.81 Nvidia drivers one time ( for benchmarking), and have the #4 sdram score in the world. For anyone interested, here is a link. You will need a compare score to view it.
http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?1563888


Pentium 3 1000 @ 1100 ( windows 2000 server), Abit bx-133, 256 Mb Mushkin Rev.3 cas 2-2-2, ATI Radeon
AMD Thunderbird 1.4 @ 1.63 (24/7) IWILL KK266R , Corsairs pc 150 cl2, Leadtek GeForce 3


19. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
lbyard Oct-19-01 05:02 PM
In response to message 18
Yes, I am building three XPXP (AthlonWindows) computers with 256 MBytes of DDR memory. It's almost dirt-cheap. These computers are for typical office workers and will be far above most computers in performance being used for that purpose. Purchasing for next generation has started. The tech sector should now start to pick-up. Larry

20. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
unusual_sweet_things Nov-19-01 05:53 AM
In response to message 0
Hi. I Have a question about memory. Mine is low and cant run some programs because of it. I was going to buy more memory(seeing that it is cheaper than buying a new computer), but my friend said that I might not have space to put more memory on my motherboard! I have a Compaq Presario its a AMD-K6 (tm) 3D processor 500 MHz memory is: 56.0 MB floppy: 1.44 MB hard disk .38 GB total compaq memory is: 64 MB system ROM Info from DMI:
BIOS VENDOR'S NAME: COMPAQ
BIOS VERSION : 686S4
CPU ID : 058C
PHYSICAL DRIVE INFO:
COMPAQ DVD-ROM SD-608 DVDROM
FIRMWARE REVISION.....BC02
MEDIUM REMOVABLE......YES
if there is any other info that I didn't mention please let me know and I will give you it so my question can be answered. Also I have another problem under....windows 98/msdos. Thanks!

21. RE: OUT OF MEMORY
lbyard Nov-19-01 08:23 PM
In response to message 20
See if http://www.crucial.com/ helps. Larry

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