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More WinXP problems...
Veky Mar-21-02 03:41 PM
Another problem occured, please help Larry.

Whenever I install the latest WinXP drivers for my Hercules Kyro 2 64mb (15.020)and restart the computer, some weird things happen. When the boot logo comes up, my screen starts flashing and continues doing that until just before startup (Windows screen), then my monitor goes into standby for 3-4 seconds, turns on and windows load.

What's up with that?


1. RE: More WinXP problems...
lbyard Mar-21-02 05:08 PM
In response to message 0
Try reseating the board. Check cables. Larry

2. RE: More WinXP problems...
Veky Mar-25-02 03:22 PM
In response to message 1
Did that, still the same, but I've noticed then fan on it sometimes makes a weird noise and it slows down.

I cleaned it all up with some alcohol, but it still just slows down (eventhough it's vertically placed)

Maybe connected somehow with my prob?


3. RE: More WinXP problems...
lbyard Mar-26-02 10:44 AM
In response to message 2
Yes, Is it a Pentium 4? Larry

4. RE: More WinXP problems...
Veky Mar-26-02 02:16 PM
In response to message 3
>Yes, Is it a Pentium 4? Larry

No, it's a Athlon (regular one) 750 Mhz.

I cleaned the fan in the power box, the fan on the cpu and the fan on the Kyro 2, but still'it's making a strange noise, the Kyro 2.



5. RE: More WinXP problems...
lbyard Mar-27-02 12:34 PM
In response to message 4
Which fan is making the noise. Unplug (I didn't say remove it from teh CPU) the CPU fan briefly (don't run the computer more than half minute or so that way) to see if that is it. Or is it the hard disk? Is this the same computer as the other post. We should be working on one thing at a time and using the same thread. Use this one as the noise needs to be fixed first. I'll lock the other one. Larry

6. RE: More WinXP problems...
Veky Apr-07-02 03:42 PM
In response to message 5
Update, I cleaned up the fan on the GPU, and it dampened the noise a bit.

Thanx for the info, but I don't want to post another thread, I'll just ask this here.

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I discovered a big issue with my hard disks. My mobo is an ABIT KA7-100 with built in Highpoint 370 RAID controller and so the disks are connected to the mobo through the controller.

WinXP detects my IDE hard drives as SCSI devices, eventhough they're not.

When I install the latest 4in1 4.38, the VIA IDE drivers are not installed over the default ones, so I install them manually, but without any performance increase. Oh, and, when I replace the default ones, I can't install any other drivers for it, when I try, the system crashes.

I can set the transfer mode to Ultra DMA mode 1 (shouldnt it be at 5 or so, cause disks are ATA/100?)
Now I have them working only in PIO mode, it wont go higher.

And one strange thing, the disks are set to Primary Master and Primary Slave, but how can it be that my CDROM and CDRW are also at Primary Master & Primary Slave?

Problems: For example, when I play Red Alert 2 or C&C Renegade, the hard disks are working rapidly, the loading times are 8-12 minutes!!! and the game is choppy, no mather what the res/detail is at.

WinXP has obviuosly some issues with disks hanging on RAID.

Please help me, I dunno what to do.


7. RE: More WinXP problems...
lbyard Apr-08-02 12:04 PM
In response to message 6
>Update, I cleaned up the fan on the GPU, and it dampened the noise a bit.

>Update, I cleaned up the fan on the GPU, and it dampened the noise a bit.

Recommend replacing it.

>WinXP detects my IDE hard drives as SCSI devices, eventhough they're not.

That is commonplace and has its roots in the fact that Microsoft/third party manufactures originally implemented the IDE/ATA drivers by interfacing them to existing SCSI drivers, or something like that.

>And one strange thing, the disks are set to Primary Master and Primary Slave, but how can it be that my CDROM and CDRW are also at Primary Master & Primary Slave?

Not strangeÖ you have two controllers, each with primary and secondary interfaces.

>Problems: For example, when I play Red Alert 2 or C&C Renegade, the hard disks are working rapidly, the loading times are 8-12 minutes!!! and the game is choppy, no mather what the res/detail is at.

You may have a resource conflict with another motherboard device and the Highpoint controller. Try disabling all motherboard devices (e.g., COM ports that you are not using. Moving expansion boards to other PCI slots may help. Believe Abit has information in their FAQs as to which slots share interrupts with on board devices.

>WinXP has obviuosly some issues with disks hanging on RAID.

I donít think it is XP. I have had problems with motherboards with Highpoint RAID controllers. Perhaps others will comment on this particular board. I would start by making sure the most recent motherboard and Highpoint BIOSís are installed per Abitís instructions. I'll warn you that you will be taking a chance if you flash the motherboard BIOS and you will be doing it at your own risk. If something goes wrong (e.g., a power outage) during this process you could end-up with an unbootable motherboard. If that happens you will have to find someone with the equipment to flash the BIOS, obtain another BIOS, or buy a new motherboard. Larry


8. RE: More WinXP problems...
Veky Apr-08-02 06:09 PM
In response to message 7
LAST EDITED ON Apr-08-02 AT 06:14 PM (EST)
 
> Recommend replacing it.

You mean the fan? If so, I can just get one the same size and replace with the old one?

> That is commonplace and has its roots in the fact that Microsoft/third party manufactures originally implemented the IDE/ATA drivers by interfacing them to existing SCSI drivers, or something like that.

Yes, someone told me that too, it just says so, cause XP can't name it better.

> Not strangeÖ you have two controllers, each with primary and secondary interfaces.

Understood.

> You may have a resource conflict with another motherboard device and the Highpoint controller. Try disabling all motherboard devices (e.g., COM ports that you are not using. Moving expansion boards to other PCI slots may help. Believe Abit has information in their FAQs as to which slots share interrupts with on board devices.

I'll check the ABIT page for FAQ's.

> I donít think it is XP. I have had problems with motherboards with Highpoint RAID controllers. Perhaps others will comment on this particular board. I would start by making sure the most recent motherboard and Highpoint BIOSís are installed per Abitís instructions. I'll warn you that you will be taking a chance if you flash the motherboard BIOS and you will be doing it at your own risk. If something goes wrong (e.g., a power outage) during this process you could end-up with an unbootable motherboard. If that happens you will have to find someone with the equipment to flash the BIOS, obtain another BIOS, or buy a new motherboard.

Agreed, things I tried, flashed the BIOS with the latest BIOS from ABIT, problem exists.
Tried flashing with the modified BIOS from ViaHardware.com that has the latest HIGHPOINT 370 bios (2.31) included, did not help.
And finally, I've been flashing my motherboard and my video card BIOS a lot of times so it's not a problem.


So I should find a solution by checking for hardware conflicts on ABIT's faq's?
Will do.

Thank you!

P.S. : I hope you don't mind me using your style of quoting.

P.S.S : I forgot to add something. I thought this problems started happening when I installed my new drive(and also I installed 128mb RAM and a Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 64mb) and when they are connected and working together. But I proven myself wrong when I disconnected one drive and then the other drive, but the problems persists.

It must be that something is causing conflicts in certain programs/games.



9. RE: More WinXP problems...
DJ Net2Infinity Apr-08-02 10:16 PM
In response to message 8
Looking around other forums other people are having the same problwms with XP and that board, I am more inclined to believe something is messed up with the controller. However, I am unable to find anywhere that has a fix to your problem.

10. RE: More WinXP problems...
lbyard Apr-09-02 12:09 PM
In response to message 8
>You mean the fan? If so, I can just get one the same size and replace with the old one?

One would normally replace both the heatsink and fan. That can be tricky (and risky) if you have not done it before. Be sure to understand http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/cpu/socka/1.html and the AMD article it references before attempting it. This question and an absolute determination as whether or not the heatsink-fan really needs to be replaced in the first place (I think it does) is hard to answer without being there. For one thing, I donít know what the old fan is and whether an exact replacement is the best alternative versus using one from another manufacturer.

>P.S. : I hope you don't mind me using your style of quoting.

Of course not. The style may come across as a little ďsharpĒ to some as compared to a pure narrative style, but I find it a lot easier to use when trying to unambiguously answer specific questions in the least amount of limited time.

I believe, as a last resort, I would disable the Highpoint controller in the CMOS setup and put all of the drives on the normal controller. To simplify things further, if the old drive is a few years old and much smaller than the new one, I would pull it and put everything on the new one. I really donít like the RAID boards unless the feature is really needed for a file server, etc. Larry


11. RE: More WinXP problems...
Veky Apr-09-02 12:29 PM
In response to message 10
> One would normally replace both the heatsink and fan. That can be tricky (and risky) if you have not done it before. Be sure to understand http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/cpu/socka/1.html and the AMD article it references before attempting it. This question and an absolute determination as whether or not the heatsink-fan really needs to be replaced in the first place (I think it does) is hard to answer without being there. For one thing, I donít know what the old fan is and whether an exact replacement is the best alternative versus using one from another manufacturer.

I think I'll leave it alone for now, the noise seems to be gone, haven't heard anything from the tower for 2 days. If I'll ever replace it I'll cal an expert.

> I believe, as a last resort, I would disable the Highpoint controller in the CMOS setup and put all of the drives on the normal controller. To simplify things further, if the old drive is a few years old and much smaller than the new one, I would pull it and put everything on the new one. I really donít like the RAID boards unless the feature is really needed for a file server, etc. Larry

I'm not sure that the Highpoint controller can be disabled...

As of the other thing, yes I tried putting out & disconnecting the old drive, but it isn't fixed.
If I haven't mentioned before, I have no RAID arrays created.

Thanks Larry.



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