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Building a new computer And Questions On fans/Heatsinks
Lartamas Mar-15-02 12:20 PM
LAST EDITED ON Mar-15-02 AT 12:41 PM (EST)
 
Hello,
I learned alot from this article: http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Howto/cpu/socka/1.html Thank you!
I am a new computer builder. I'm building an AMD 2000xp processor, Asus A7V266-E mobo for my son.
I bought the retail version of the CPU/ with fan and heatsink to get the warrantee. But I bought the Thermaltake Volcano 7+ fan/heatsink and now am confused because I asked AMD if this was ok and using Artic silver 3 and they have scared me by writing the following statement:

Hello,

AMD advises customers to only use the phase change material instead of the paste, which includes Arctic Silver. The paste tends to ooze out from in between the heat sink and the processor, causing damage to the processor. So, Phase Change is highly recommended over Arctic Silver paste.

AMD distributes the processor and heat sink and fan as a unit in a retail box. Therefore, AMD requests that the heat sink and fan that comes with the processor be used to keep the 3 year warranty. This heat sink and fan has been tested and validated by AMD to allow for the best possible performance.


Regards,

Jeff
AMD Technical Service Center

So I don't understand why they wouldn't want to see their processors run cooler.???? As Ive read using the pad on the heatsink does not keep temperatures down as far as they could be.

Has anyone studied the New Artic Silver 3 to see if it does ooze? I thought I read an article somewhere that was old and said that the very first Artic silver oozed all over ..so I'm not sure if I should use this or not?

I hope that an expert could tell me your thoughts...
No one I know builds computers.

I have emailed Artic silver and got one response about what phase change material was...But when I emailed back with the question about ooozing..No response came..So it makes me wonder.

Heck any imput from anyone would be much appreciated!

My componets are all here now...
Just waiting to build..

Asus A7V266-E (Onboard raid)
2000xp retail processor
Geforce 4600 (visiontek)
Antec SX1040 Case with 4 case fans 2 Antec in back and 2 Thermaltakes in front
Audigy Platnum soundcard.
3com 905cx-tx-NM Nic
New USR6000 cable modem
V92 Us robotics modem
40x12x40x Plextor cdrw
Toshiba oem DVD
Crucial 512 2100 DDR mem.
Vocano 7+ fan/heatsink
Artic Silver 3 grease.


Thanks!!!

Lart


1. RE: Building a new computer And Questions On fans/Heatsinks
lbyard Mar-15-02 04:05 PM
In response to message 0
AMD is absolutely correct. The safest bet is to use their heatsink-fan with the phase change material. It does an adequate job of cooling the CPU and runs the least risk of damaging the CPU during installation (which is real and elaborated on in my article How to Install an AMD Athlon or Duron Socket A Processor at http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/cpu/socka/1.html). If you don’t use it and follow their procedures exactly (which are referenced in my article at http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/cpu/socka/6.html), you will most likely void the 3-year warrantee.

However, one cannot always (or I could not always) find the retail version AMD CPU package in stock, or (the retail version at the time was priced far higher than the cost of the OEM version plus a quality heatsink-fan). I used an OEM processor and different heat sink for the computer I used in the article I wrote on installing a heat sink with thermal grease because the retail version was not available from my vendor. The heat sink supplied by my vendor came with thermal grease. That computer has been working fine for just about a year. Coincidently, it is on my workbench right now to have a second hard disk drive installed. I just checked the CPU temperature reading and it is identical to what it was a year ago (http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/cpu/socka/6.html): One side open: Ambient 20° C/68° F, Case 26° C/78° F, CPU 44°/111°. Which is very adequate for a 1.1 GHz Athlon. Contrary to what AMD may desire, one can use grease with AMD Athlon processors if one knows how to do it and uses care. I used OEM version of the AMD Palomino CPU and Thermaltake Volcano 5 heatsink-fans in my article How to Install the EpoX 8KHA+ Motherboard because, at the time, the retail version of that processor was priced out of sight as compared to the OEM version plus the Volcano 5.

There are heat ink-fans that do a better job of cooling than some recommended by AMD. I consider many of them vast overkill for the average computer. They, and Artic Silver, are popular among hobbyist that overcook (overclock) their CPUs. I do not overclock my CPU’s and strongly do not recommend it for reasons previously stated in this and the Computer Performance forums. This policy and recommendation comes from many years of experience running a computer shop and building and upgrading thousands of computes. AMD does not recommend overclocking their CPUs and doing so will probably void their warrantee. If you do not overclock your processor you do not need the extra cooling afforded by a Volcano 7 and Artic Silver. That is, the extra cooling would be nice, but you do not need it and should not, in my considered pinion, run the risk of damaging the processor and voiding the warrantee

BTW, I don’t know about the Valcano 7 but the Valcano 5 uses phase change material. If you use Artic Silver and the Valcano has the pad attached, you will probably have to remove the pad.

Although good cooling is very desirable and absolutely essential to avoid damaging an AMD Athlon processor, it is much over-emphasized on the Internet and to the point one might believe that the objective of some is to have the latest and greatest cooling contraption instead of using their computer and processor as it was designed. Much like the hot rod/dragster thing with giant motors and practically no body that can go from 0 to (what is now a days?) 250-300 miles per hour in 3 or 4(?) seconds (and burn-up thousands of dollars worth of tires in one run). An overclocked processor with a Volcano 7 can quickly become a set of those tires. Larry

P.S. Your case looks like a nice hovercraft, and much more than you need.


3. RE: Building a new computer And Questions On fans/Heatsinks
Lartamas Apr-02-02 06:01 AM
In response to message 1
Well thanks for the imput on that.. I do not intend to overclock the processor.
My Intention was to only keep the processor as cool as I could.
The volcano 7+ from Thermaltake does not come with a pad attached.
It does come with some dow corning grease which I did not use. I did use the New Artice silver3 instead.
I may have a nice Hovercraft of a computer as you call it...But that is my choice.

I bought a Gateway Pent 133 computer back in 1995 and at that time was told I would never fill the 1.6 gig drive. Top of the line and all that...HA HA HA...That didn't hold true very long. And soon the games out there wouldn't even run on the thing.

My son has waited a very long time for this family to save up for a nice Rig!
So now I can have my son have his friends over to be entertained on
our computer we built as a father and son. And all the Rich engineers that live around here in this community that buy Falcon NW and Alienware systems can have their kids come to my sons house instead of my son going to their house!

Anyway..point here is...I built this with the thought that it will last us a long time and I hope that I can stretch this 2000+ xp twice as long as I did Our OLD Gateway Pentium 133!
And I made it for half of what I paid for the Gateway.
My son is a straight A student and its our gift to him!

God Bless
Lart


4. RE: Building a new computer And Questions On fans/Heatsinks
lbyard Apr-02-02 11:58 AM
In response to message 3
I am happy everything worked-out well. As far as computer obsolescence is concerned I have always told my customers that ‘no matter what you buy a computer will become obsolete in three years, and if you keep it for five years you will wish you had sold it at the three year point.’ Larry

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