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Robert4390 Nov-23-00 01:27 PM
I am putting together a list of components to build a computer for a friend. The prices on Slot A Athlon boards are very enticing. However, I read your "Obituary" article about these sockets. Should I spend the extra bucks for a socket A? Of course, cost is a concern in this project. Thank you.
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lbyard Nov-23-00 02:58 PM
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diletante Nov-27-00 03:50 PM
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The Abit KT7 is a winner, and it is not expensive.
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Robert4390 Nov-27-00 10:54 PM
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Thanks Rob, the KT7 was my choice too. I have an Abit BP6 and I have had no problems whatsoever with it.
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lbyard Nov-28-00 03:28 PM
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I have used Abit TX5 (Socket 7) and BH6 (Slot 1, Pentium/Celeron) in customer computers. They have proved to be first-rate boards. We have a SA6R (i815E chipset, socket 370) on order for a midrange upgrade for my son's computer. He is a musician and is kind of stuck with Intel CPUs for some of his music equipment, although I think an Athlon/Duron board would work. I am waiting for a very good DDR Athlon board for my own machine. My wifeís computer will be upgraded with my sonís old motherboard, CPU, and memory. And that is the advantage of generic/clone computers in a nutshell. Larry
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brianhiggins98 Dec-12-00 01:57 AM
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Get a socket! And don't get an amd. Buy something that won't fail!
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lbyard Dec-12-00 02:51 PM
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I have had very good luck for many years with AMD processors and recommend them. We have built well over one thousand computers with AMD processors. I am not saying there is anything wrong with Intel processors, except, maybe, the prices they charge for them. In some cases, in the past, I have recommended Intel for specific computers (e.g., computers used in music processing and heavy graphics) because of faster floating pointing processing or for ultra conservative machines used in business. With the Athlon and Duron, the Intel floating-point advantage is no longer there and, from what I've heard, more businesses are buying AMD products. Larry
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brianhiggins98 Dec-13-00 06:00 AM
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from my experience where i work and amd cpu's are at about a 20% failure. While intels are currently around 1%. And for a pc manufacter that is a considerable loss.
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lbyard Dec-13-00 05:36 PM
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LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-00 AT 05:37 PM (GMT)
I have not seen more than a handful, probably fewer, of AMD CPU failures in, I estimate, more than a thousand installations. I have seen about that many Intel CPU failures/bugs as well. I have seen more Cyrix failures than either of the above and have installed far fewer of them than either of the above. I am not counting AMD Socket A processors because I have not installed any yet. Most CPU failures are caused by improper installation (electrostatic procedures, bent/broken pins, gorillas, etc.) and cooling. I have been running a computer shop since 1987. Larry
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Cuzbo Jan-31-01 07:50 AM
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Wake up and smell the coffee dude.
I have ALWAYS run AMDs on my personal PCs and NEVER HAD ONE FAIL.
BTW, check SiSoft Sandra 2001 benchmarks.
An Athlon 750 with normal clocking has a power rating (PR) of 1008. YES, Thats one gigahertz.
I run a pc shop and most people are switching to AMD. The last P3 800 I SiSoft'd, the PR was 858, still much below the Athlon 750. Athlons are much faster, and just as stable at normal clocking. I have seen some Athlon750s take an overclocking to 1050 with sufficient cooling and it remained stable with a PR rating at 1340. Thats a 750 rivaling the Intel 1.2gig chip. They CAN be overclocked too without much trouble (using just a pencil and exacto on the Socket A's)as long as cooling is efficient.
I am not bad mouthing Intel, because they make a formidable chip too, especially since their P4 1.5Gig chip benched the same on SiSoft as the AMD Athlon 1gig chip (besides, AMD 1gig is around $400 cheaper too) This is the new millenium. Most people realize now that they are tired of paying for "the name" as with IBM, who marks up their equipment 800 percent, and still is not always the best alternative. Cuz
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lbyard Jan-31-01 02:47 PM
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A 1 gig Athlon is a whole lot less than $400. I'll sell you all you want at that price, or even $150 lower than that price, which, of course, is higher than what I pay for them. Larry
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Cuzbo Jan-31-01 05:00 PM
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I apologize for the misunderstanding.
I stated the 1gig athlon is more than $400 less than then intel equivalent, if you would say the 1.2gig Intel is the AMD 1gig equivalent (I would) and thanks, but I get the Athlon 1gigs w/ MB for $280 and the Intel equivalent for $460, so in my error, exact price difference of $180.
Intel is getting desparate to get rid of those chips because AMD is cleaning house.
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lbyard Jan-31-01 06:00 PM
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It was my error and I apologize. I didn't read it carefully or in context. Good price for a CPU and MB! BTW, I have been selling AMD processors for something like 13 or 14 years, or whenever they started making Intel clones, and have always leaned in that direction--mainly because of the price difference (and I find the inside jingle annoying). However, I did my grad work with a i8086 22 years agoÖ Went to 100 Bowers Ave. in Santa Clara, CA and got a developerís CPU/chipset kit, and a lot of problems... Larry
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morgan_001 Jan-22-01 01:12 AM
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just built one with Socket A. Abit kt7 (non-raid)
raid have had problems and really are overkill. used a 800mhz Thunderboard+AMD approved fan. www.tufshop.com great prices. one month running. no problems and blistering fast. beats intelp3 hands down.
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lbyard Jan-22-01 01:20 PM
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I had problem running the latest AOPen CRW1232 CD-RW drive/drivers on the raid IDE interfaces and I have heard that there are problems running other CD drives with the Highpoint 370 controller. So, I moved the CD-RW to a normal IDE interface, where it worked OK, and tried to use the hard disk on the RAID interface for ATA/100. The problem is there just were not enough (well behaved) interrupts, even with IRQ steering, to go around. Or, at least I spent a good part of whole weekend on it and could not get it to work that way (yes, I couldn't make it work). So, I disabled the RAID controller. In short, I agree with your assessment of the RAID version unless one really wants to mirror drives, etc. at the expense of other boards such as sound, or a lot of time juggling IRQs. The KT7A boards are now available and use the VIA KT133A chipset, which puts ATA/100 on the normal IDE interfaces. However, I understand, without doing any benchmarks myself, current ATA/100 drives cannot go faster than an ATA/66 interface. Larry
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