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Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-25-01 02:48 AM
I want to connect three computers threw the phoneline. All of them could be connected to one telephone line. Could i connect them just parallel, or i need something like a hub. Cause i want to share the internet connection and the only way to do it is phoneline.
Thanx TIM

1. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard Apr-25-01 02:18 PM
In response to message 0
You need a phoneline network or adapters. Phoneline networks do not need a hub. http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/dlink/dhn910/dhn910.htm is an example. The adapters can be bought separately. If at all possible, I would run CAT 5 cable. Larry

2. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-26-01 02:34 AM
In response to message 1
so if i'm connecting for example two computers with a phoneline jack's i can connect third computer with a hub like this one: http://www.netgear.com/product_view.asp?xrp=7&yrp=17&zrp=43 using FastEthernet and the network will be assigned to the phonelone adapter, so i can share the connection form the satellite. Or i can buy third phoneline card to that computer and they will be all working with out any hub in one united Neighborhood and then i'll be able to chare the connection? The first variant is much better, cause third computer has a FastEthernet card already.
THANX please reply, so i wouldn't need to post this message as a new one, TIM

3. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard Apr-26-01 04:09 PM
In response to message 2
All you need is a third phoneline adapter, which I would guess is much cheaper than NETGEAR’s PE102 Ethernet to Phone Line Bridge. I presume the satellite box connects to your Ethernet card? Here’s an interesting product if you don’t want to use a software solution for sharing the Internet connection: http://www.2wire.com/products/homeportal_100.asp#performance. However, it costs about twice as much as, and produces a slower local network then a CAT 5 Ethernet equivalent. Larry

4. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-26-01 11:39 PM
In response to message 3
So what i have is; three computers, tow phoneline NETGEAR cards, two FastEthernet Linksys cards, one 10/100 Linksys Hub, a Satellite with a USB interface. Two of these computers could be connected just threw the phoneline (Server&client1), and Server&client2 could be connected eather way. What is the cheapest and easiest way to share the Satellite connection???
Thanx very much for your help.
TIM

5. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard Apr-27-01 12:49 PM
In response to message 4
If you want me to evaluate cheapest and easiest, please tell me why you must connect client1 with a telephone line and provide some info about the physical layout of your plant. Larry

6. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-27-01 11:32 PM
In response to message 4
I can connect these two computers just using a phoneline cause my Dad says: "No cords on the floor. ". And my house has to floors. I have two computers on the second floor. As i said i can connect them just with a phoneline. Then i have one computer at the first floor. I have a satellite connected to one of the computers at the second floor. I established a phoneline connection between two computers on the second floor with two Netgear phoneline cards. I have three telephone lines in my house. One is at the first floor and two on the second floor, one for telephone, other for dialup. The connection works upstairs, and i think i could connect computer at the first floor to this phonelines. Then my computer which has a Satellite is connected to that one at the first floor with a FastEthernet Linksys cards with a hub. The connection works fine, exept couple errors which i can figure out, i think. At the server (Satellite) in the Neighborhood i can see all three computers. My idea was to share the connection like that. But then i figured out that ICS works just with one output card . Then you advised to use command called ROUTE ADD, it is pretty complicated. Then i enter it, the error 87 appear. So i'm stuck at this point. Probably i have to buy one more Phoneline card, or maybe a some kind of a ROUTER which will unite FastEthernet and Phoneline networks, then i'll have to sell one server network card and a hub. What do you advise????
THANX for your help. TIM

7. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard Apr-28-01 04:24 PM
In response to message 6
As a matter of interest, you can use an active phone line for a phoneline network and make and receive telephone calls, etc. while simultaneously using the network… You can connect more than two phoneline cards to the same telephone wire. Ok, you cannot run a cable between the two computers upstairs. You do have a CAT 5 cable/hub connection between one of the computers upstairs to the computer downstairs, correct? I don’t want to beat this to death, but is it possible to run a cable from the location of the computer downstairs to the other computer upstairs? Larry

8. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-28-01 11:07 PM
In response to message 7
Yeah absolutely!!!
Actually server upstairs IS connected to one downstairs. I connected them with a FastEthernet cable. Connected it to the wall, so i could be pretty cool if i can just buy some kind of a HUB/ROUTER which will connect FastEthernet to 10Mbps Phoneline network. Other computer upstairs can't be connected with a FastEthernet cable. I though about that. Just a Phoneline. If the ROUTER is not possible, then i'll just have to sell my two FastEthernet cards, wire and a hub. Buy one more Phoneline card. Anyway if my OTHER computer upstairs could be connected to that one downstairs, i though that i'll need to keep <COMPUTER#2> (upstairs} always turned on??? Is it right??? Or i can buy a router there.
Finally as i understand there are two main possibilities of solving this problem: 3rd Phoneline card, or ROUTER. And i'm not sure about the ROUTER, is it possible???
Thanks for your help, i apreciate it. TIM

9. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard Apr-29-01 02:00 PM
In response to message 8
I don't quite understand... Can you or can you not run another CAT 5 cable from the location where the computer is downstairs to the location where the computer without the satellite connection is upstairs? Please try to answer just this question. Larry

10. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-29-01 03:15 PM
In response to message 9
Sorry ;-( no it is not possible

11. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard Apr-29-01 05:27 PM
In response to message 10
The best way is to connect all of the computers to an Ethernet switch/router and sell all of the phoneline stuff, but we have beaten that option to death. If I were there I might figure-out a way of doing it… You could put one of the phoneline adapters in the computer downstairs (1) and connect both the phoneline computer (2) and (1) to the computer connected to the satellite (3) with the 100BASE-TX Ethernet. That would require that all three computers be on for (2) to connect to the Internet. Not a good choice. You could buy another phoneline card, put it in (1) and sell the hub and Ethernet adapters. That is probably the cheapest way of doing it. (3) would have to be on for (1) and (2) to connect to the Internet. Your local area network would be slower than a 100BASE-TX network. Or, if your satellite box works like a DSL or cable MODEM, you can buy a Linksys HPRO200 - HomeLink Phoneline 10M Cable/DSL Router (http://linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=176&grid=5), which would be my choice if the phoneline leg is a must. It costs about $150. Plug your hub into it for computers (1) and (3). None of the computers would have to on for any of them to use the Internet, just the router and hub. And you would only need one adapter of the appropriate type in each computer. There may be other comparable products out there, but I have not heard of them. Don't foget to let us know how things worked-out, OK? Larry

14. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-29-01 09:50 PM
In response to message 11
so as i understnad we have 2 main possibilities left - 3rd phoneline and a Router. I have DIRECPC satellite, which has a USB adapter, connected to the cable, i have a ONE_WAY version, what means that it requires the modem, to send the traffic. As far as i understand that means that the traffic couldn't be routed as a cable/dsl. So another solution is a Router which will unite two networks. I'm not sure that this one (Linksys) does that??? does it??
The phoneline idea is the best, because computer(3) could be always on. But if it is possible to find a router, so wouldn't need to take the cord of the wall ( i have already connected it ).
THANX.

12. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-29-01 09:10 PM
In response to message 9
No i can't connect computer downstairs with a computer upstairs which doesn't have a satellite

13. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard Apr-29-01 09:38 PM
In response to message 12
I don't think you read all of my last post. Over and out. Larry

15. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ Apr-29-01 09:51 PM
In response to message 13
yeah sorry i replyed another one
check another reply

16. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ May-01-01 05:00 AM
In response to message 15
so as i understnad we have 2 main possibilities left - 3rd phoneline and a Router. I have DIRECPC satellite, which has a USB adapter, connected to the cable, i have a ONE_WAY version, what means that it requires the modem, to send the traffic. As far as i understand that means that the traffic couldn't be routed as a cable/dsl. So another solution is a Router which will unite two networks. I'm not sure that this one (Linksys) does that??? does it??
The phoneline idea is the best, because computer(3) could be always on. But if it is possible to find a router, so wouldn't need to take the cord of the wall ( i have already connected it ).
THANX.

17. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard May-01-01 02:34 PM
In response to message 16
Is the phoneline connected to a MODEM in your computer or does it connect to the satellite box? Is the satellite service presently shared by computers (1) and (3). How are you doing it? Does the satellite box also have an Ethernet interface? Could you provide the make and model of the Satellite box? Larry

18. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ May-01-01 11:27 PM
In response to message 17
i have a direcPC satellite (http://www.direcpc.com/consumer/work/work.html). it has an usb reciever which is connected directly to the cable form the dish. then it connects to PC threw USB port. Computer detects it as a NETWORK DEVICE. then the software setup program searches for the regular modem, or ISDN modem, cause i have one way satellite, now they have 2-way which don't require modem. So it dials to the server registers, ect. Then when you want to connect to the internet, it just dials to the ISP, and uses ISP&modem to send the information, and Satellite to recieve. The connection is shared by ICS, you just have to choose satellite as a sharing device (source) and network adapter as a an output.

20. RE: Network with a phoneline
lbyard May-02-01 02:05 PM
In response to message 18
I guess (not much info on that web site) the only practical choice is to put a phoneline adapter in the computer downstairs. Larry

21. RE: Network with a phoneline
tiomk@ May-03-01 00:23 AM
In response to message 20
Yeah... I guess so. Thanx very much..... Your help was great... I'll buy a phoneline card. As soon as i'm done with all that stuff i'll send you results...
THANX again
TIM

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