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Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
saulo Mar-07-01 01:12 PM
I am trying to network 2 computers with a hub. One has Windows 98SE and is connected to the Internet DSL, and the other has Windows ME. I tried all protocols, the wizard with the ME and every time I cannot see each other computer. I can only see the self computer. They do not seem to be in the same network. I have checked the Workgroup name and they match. What's going on ?

1. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
lbyard Mar-07-01 04:05 PM
In response to message 0
The following requirements must be met to browse the Network Neighborhood/My Network Places (share files and printers):
1. You must have at least one of the NetBIOS protocols installed. The NetBIOS protocols are: NetBEUI, IPX/SPX, and TCP/IP. If TCP/IP does not work by itself, go to Start, Setting, Control Panel, Network, select the instance of TCP/IP bound to the network adapter for your local network, Properties, Bindings and be sure the Client for Microsoft Networks and File and Printer Sharing check boxes are checked. They should not be checked for any network adapters used to connect to the Internet.
2. All of the computers must be running a common protocol.
3. You must login to Windows or the Microsoft Client for Windows.
4. A unique computer name must be specified in Network configuration
5. The workgroup name must be specified in Network configuration and should be the same as the other workstations.
6. File and Print Sharing must be installed to see yourself in Network Neighborhood
If File and Print Sharing is not listed in Network Configuration on other peers/workstations then you will not be able to view that machine in Network Neighborhood.
7. If the above requirements have been met, disable or enable Browse Masters. A computer that is infrequently used should not be a Browse Master. There must be at least one Browse Master.
See http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/net2pc/intro.htm for installation details and for instructions on sharing files and printers. Also, Windows help is useful.
Larry

2. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
saulo Mar-07-01 07:17 PM
In response to message 1
I did all that. What I noticed is that the Orange led on the adapter that is connected to the hub is always blinking, and the green one never comes on. The adapter I am using is a ISA Ethernet 10Mg and I am also using a PCI 10/100 GF100TXR for the DSL connection.

3. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
lbyard Mar-07-01 11:37 PM
In response to message 2
What ISA board is it? Is it both twisted pair and COAX? What driver are you using for the board? Novell/anthem NE2000? Is the board Plug ‘n Play or is it jumpered or set with software for a specific IRQ and port? The more info you provide, the easier it is to solve the problem. Larry

4. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
saulo Mar-08-01 03:08 AM
In response to message 3
It's a ENW-2400P Planet. Both uses a twisted pair cable. The driver for the ISA board is from the manufacturer which is also compatible to NE2000. The board is also PLug and Play. The green led on the ISA never comes on. And the orange is always blinking. On the hub both leds come on. I do not think it is the problem with the adapter because when I connect it to the DSL modem it works.

5. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
lbyard Mar-08-01 02:53 PM
In response to message 4
Then why not leave it connected to the DSL MODEM? The MODEM is not going to use all of the ISA board's bandwidth whereas the local network will perform better with the faster board. Larry

6. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
saulo Mar-09-01 05:09 PM
In response to message 5
The problem is that if I put the network on the PCI card, no leds are on. The led on the hub and on the card are both off, and the computers still cannot see each other...

7. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
lbyard Mar-09-01 05:27 PM
In response to message 6
You have two adapters that do not work when connected to the hub, but do work when connected to the DSL box… Try another cable between that machine and the hub and see if the state of LEDs change. I presume that you are not trying to use the uplink port. Be sure the cables going from the adapters to the hub are straight-thru cables. Both ends should be identical and look like one of the two diagrams at the top of http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable6.htm, with the clip on the plug facing away from you. If the ends are not identical when looking at them side-by-side with the ends up and clips away, then they are not straight-thru cables and will not work between a PC and a hub. Larry

8. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
saulo Mar-10-01 04:42 PM
In response to message 7
I will double check the cables, but I am pretty sure they are correct. I did them myself and the order of the ends were identical. I am not using the uplink port either. I wrote the manufacturer of the hub inquiring about this problem, and he told me to use ports 3 and 4, and use the Windows ME set up software, but still did not work...one person from the card manufacturer wrote me saying that I cannot use 2 network cards in a computer with Windows 95/98 which I think is a wrong affirmation. I really do not know what else to do, unless to bring a network person to my home and try to set it up. Thanks for the help Larry.

9. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
lbyard Mar-10-01 06:04 PM
In response to message 8
It is wrong info. One can put two network cards in a Win 9x box, and, I believe up to four of them if you can manage the IRQ conflict morass that would cause. The cables are the primary suspect. Larry

10. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
saulo Mar-10-01 09:23 PM
In response to message 9
You were right. I found out that the other was right, but there was something wrong with thr RJ-45 connector of one of the cables. I jiggled it a little bit and the led on the hub came on. Now the network is working fine. Thank you very much!

11. RE: Windows 98SE, ME and a Hub. Cannot network.
lbyard Mar-11-01 04:30 PM
In response to message 10
That plug should be replaced and properly crimped (http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable8.htm). All of the plugs should be checked to be sure they are the correct plugs for the kind of wire you using, solid or stranded (see the bottom of http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable2.htm). Larry

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