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4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-11-00 08:19 PM
I have 4 pc's at home all linked with Linksys Home network ethernet cards (Using phone line). ALl are running WIn ME. File printer share is fine, ICS was set up and ran fine for the last three months. Server is Athlon 700/MSI connected w-USR 56K pci modem. Client 1 is AMD K6III 400, CLient 2 is Duron600/Gigabyte, all have 128mb RAM and ~3GB HD used of 10GB. All are bound using TCP/IP as per the Network Wizard, and the Server Internet is set up per Internet WIzard. Now when the Server connects to the Internet, no Client can connect to Internet OR any other computer. I can Ping each computer with the Internet connection OFF, but not with the Internet connected. Client 1 uses AOL Instant MEssenger, but was fine until I changed HD in Client 1 and 2 for the purpose of getting gamming power to client 2. Tried to un-install ICS, Network cards, reboot. Reboot with NIC, then reinstall drivers on ALL 3 machines but still no ICS!?? Reinstall WinME still no work. Help! (PS PC 4 doesn't really care if she's not connected)

1. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
lbyard Dec-12-00 03:01 PM
In response to message 0
First, I would simplify the problem and disconnect all clients but one from the local network. Second, I would uninstall ICS and then all network components on the ICS host… Larry

2. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-12-00 03:59 PM
In response to message 1
Thanks Larry for the suggestion. Man, you get so wrapped around the axel that you forget the KISS principle. I'll try your suggestion, and get back...

3. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-13-00 04:08 PM
In response to message 2
Reconfigured network settings on host (H), client 2 (C2). Disconnected client 1 (C1) due to potential hardware (NIC) problems. Performed a clean install of WInME on C2 (to try to improve performance of ATI Rage Fury Pro, reconfigured NIC to static IP address of 192.168.0.3/255.255.255.0) H is using static address of 192.168.0.1. Both computers could "see" each other, and I transferred several files (i.e., VIA 4n1,DX8,backup files etc.) transfer rate was fast for a phonline network.

Then installed VSock proxy software on H and configured per instructions. Connection to internet was successful. However, C2 cannot share the connection, and CAN'T see H when H is connected to internet. I tried to ping H from C2 when connected to internet, unsuccessful. Disconnect from internet, ping is successful and can see computers again.

Reconfigured network settings on C1 (using IP 192.168.0.2)and the network computers are visible. Pinging C2 and H , and file transfer of system backup files to H both successful. Reconnected to internet on H, and both C1 & 2 could not see nor ping H. However, C1 and C2 CAN ping each other when H is connected to internet.

I suspect a Registry entry change affecting ICS, VSOCK etc. My C2 user likes to "chat" on AOL IM but ISP is NOT AOL (K-online). ICS worked fine since September on H,C1,C2,C3. Again, problem started after swap of HD from C1 to C2 and change of H at that time with C1(current H).

Help! Wife and C1 ready to file lawsuit


4. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
lbyard Dec-13-00 07:00 PM
In response to message 3
How many network adapters are installed in the host (count AOL, dial-up, etc. if installed)? The maximum to which TCP/IP can be bound is four. Larry

5. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-13-00 07:34 PM
In response to message 4
Network Neighborhood, Properties reveals:

Dial-up adaptor
Lynksys Phoneline Network Card

I connect to my ISP via Dial-up, and to the Network via Lynksys. My host hast Netbui, TCP/IP bound to both. My Clients have Netbui, TCP/IP bound to Lynksys, but no dial-up. Micorsoft Network logon, and Microsoft Networking File and Printer sharing enabled.


6. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
lbyard Dec-13-00 08:31 PM
In response to message 5
If you are using static IPs, you have to modify the range of useable IP addresses for the ICS DHCP server on the host so it won’t conflict. See Microsoft Knowledgebase Article ID: Q230148, How to Change the IP Range for the ICS DHCP Service, at http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q230/1/48.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=dhcp&rnk=9&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=WINME for instructions. You might want to try to set the TCP/IP bound to the local network NICs to obtain IP automatically and see if that works OK in your situation. Also, if you use static IPs you will have to enter the DNS IPs on all of the computers and that won’t work if your ISP assigns them automatically. Larry

7. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-13-00 08:43 PM
In response to message 6
Thanks Larry. You know it worked fine for a couple of months. THe trouble started when I changed around a couple of HD between the (then) host and Client 2. I found this article at Practicaly Networked:

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/support/ics_avoid_98se_reinstall.htm

It sounds JUST like my problem. I'm going to try this tonight (if the wife doesn't KILL ME!) I'll let you know.

THanks Again, Davo


8. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-14-00 04:44 PM
In response to message 7
RECAP:
4 PCs net worked via Lynksys Homephoneline and dial-up SIP. ICS worked fine for 2-3 months until I made some hardware switcheroos (ODs on Host and 2 clients). I uninstalled ICS (thru Add/remove) then reinstalled into new host (previous client) but could no longer share. Host can connect to ISP but clients cannot share. All computers can see each other, ping etc., but NOT when host is connected to ISP.

I've since uninstalled ICS, and installed VSOCKS proxy, but the clients still cannot connect. I edited the registry on both the Host and clients deleting leftover ICS folders and extra TCP/IP stacks in NetTrans folders under HKEY_local_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services.

I've setup different static TCP/IP IP addresses (192.168.0.X) in all Clients, enabled DNS to the Host IP address and Gateway to Host IP address and set up VSOCKS to connect to external IP Address. Host home TCP/IP address is static at 192.168.0.1. Host to ISP works great, but cannot share connection. Host to clients works great when NO ISP connection present.

The machines can share files when Host is NOT connected to ISP, file transfer is fast but cannot share Internet. Internet connection download speed is faster than ever before using VSOCKS proxy but I need to share:) Any Ideas?


9. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
lbyard Dec-14-00 05:21 PM
In response to message 8
Its looks like it is getting to be quite a mess from this end… Again, I would suggest working with just two PCs. Did you change the ICS DHCP IP address range so static IPs can be used on the clients or did you go to dynamic IPs on the clients, as previously suggested? Can you browse the following web server: http://216.92.56.121/ from a client? Are you sure that switching those drives didn’t result in two ICS hosts running? Guess I am confused a bit because I cannot see/work on the system first hand, and things are being changed outside of the context and logical(?) flow of this thread. Larry

10. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-14-00 06:18 PM
In response to message 9
Sorry for the confusion. Monday I reformatted (clean install WinME) Client 2(C2) and set up Networking manually with Client for Microsoft Networking, Lynksys Homephoneline Adaptor, TCP/IP bound to Lynksys using static IP address of 192.168.0.3, and File and Print sharing for Microsoft Networking. I uninstalled ICS from Host, and manually set up the same Network protocols and the two PCs had no problem sharing files. Transfer speed was fast, boot-up was fast also. I didn't reinstall ICS on host, but tried VSOCKS proxy instead. I set up C2 with DNS enabled (IP address of 192.168.0.1) along with Gateway using same address. Host: TCP/IP bound to lynksys has static IP address of 192.168.0.1. Dial-up TCP/IP default settings were not changed, but the VSOCKS proxy property settings ID's the static IP address of 192.168.0.1 as the DNS and I inserted my ISPs IP address (that they gave me) into the External IP address it needs to connect. I then set up MS IE 5 to connect via LAN using Proxy with a SOCKS address of 192.168.0.1 and PORT of 1080 (per VSOCKS instructions). After the VSOCKS setup, the two computers still saw each other in Network Places, and each could ping the other, but they can't see each other after the Host connects to the Internet. Interestingly, if C2 opens MS IE (internet explorer) the Host will dial out and connect, but C2 IE page will fail and say "Can't find Server."

It wasn't until after the above senario I brought in C1 into the Network as described in the previous post. I figured, what the heck, the Proxy won't share anyway, what's to lose.

I hope this doesn't add more confusion. I tried to follow the HOST/CLIENT manual setup instructions found on VSOCKS software. IF it would help, I'll delete all of it, and restart, I'm at the point of formatting and reinstalling Windows into my other two machines (Host and C1) but I would like to avoid that ...


11. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
lbyard Dec-15-00 02:27 PM
In response to message 10
I now I know why I was confused… You are trying to install the vsock proxy (http://www.pscs.co.uk/products/vsockslight/), which, I believe, didn’t creep into this thread until the fourth message, and I thought you were trying to install Win 98 SE/Me ICS (subject of this thread) and going through the winsock troubleshooting procedure (http://duxcw.com/faq/network/winsock.htm). Why are you installing vsock? Please get rid of that stuff (vsock proxy) and install ICS (or SyGate, http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/sygate/sygate.htm). And, I might add, you are wasting a lot of time reformating hard disk drives. Reformatting a drive and reinstalling Windows, should be a last resort for fixing a problem. Larry

12. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-15-00 06:00 PM
In response to message 11
Larry, Ok. I will uninstall VSOCK. It doesn't "share" with my machines, nor does ICS. I retried ICS again last night. (I will say this, VSOCK gives me a faster download speed. I sustain consistent 5Kbps speeds, where with ICS I never got over 4.5 Kbps. My connection speed is the same at 45333 kbps. (I'm 22,000 ft. from the telephone junction thus DSL is unavailable)) It connects my Host, but not my client. The client and host can share files when the Internet connection is OFF, but NOT when the Internet connection is ON. Another interesting tidbit. I tried to ping again last night from the client, whent the Host was connected to the Internet, received "request timed out" message. BUT when I typed in NET VIEW, it returned both my Host and CLient. This is confusing to me ...

You stated reformatting is a last resort... Larry, I'm there. I feel like it's my last resort. I've learned more about networking in the last 2 1/2 weeks than I ever knew before, and all I've really learned is how much I don't know!

All I can say is, my computers are connected. I can share files and printer, but I cannot share the Internet Connection any more. I used ICS for 2 1/2 months without any problems. Now I cannot get it to work again. As far as I can tell, I've tried every single suggestion/troubleshooting item there is, and still nothing. If SYGATE works, I guess it's worth the money. I'll download the trial, and install, (big finger cross action going on here ) Hey, thanks for your efforts and time, you're the MAN. Davo


13. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-16-00 07:54 PM
In response to message 12
Update. I uninstalled VSOCKS. Downloaded and installed SYGATE 4.0 build 712. Setup was as discribed in your review here at Duxcw.com. My host connected to my ISP no problem. I then installed SYgate on my client. It wouldn't connect to the internet. The icon in the taskbar, when I right-click, states Server is OFF. I fiddled around with the diagnostics on both PCs, but it still doesn't work.

SO, I REMOVED all Networking protocols in both computers along with the Network card. I reinstalled the NIC driver, and added Netbeui to Client & Host. I added TCP/IP bound to the DIal-up adaptor on my Host. When I am OFFLINE both computers are visible in windows exporer. As soon as my host connects, my client & Host no longer can see each other.

Now what do I do? Davo


14. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-16-00 07:56 PM
In response to message 13
THat should read ... as soon as my Host connects to the internet, my client& Host no longer can see each other.

15. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
lbyard Dec-16-00 08:21 PM
In response to message 14
Are you still using static IP addresses?. You must either use dynamic IPs or turn-off SyGate's DHCP server. Larry

16. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-17-00 05:53 PM
In response to message 15
I had static addresses the first time. This morning I reset the host TCP/IP stack bound to my NIC to obtain IP Addresses automatically, and diabled DNS, and removed the Gateway address. On the CLient I did the same.

Upon restart, my client and host could detect each others drives, etc. When I connected thehost to the internet, the client reported there was a "conflict at address 192.168.0.2, the service will be shut down." Of course the client could not view internet web pages, and when the host was connected to the internet, it could no longer access the network.

THoughts?


17. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
lbyard Dec-18-00 03:31 PM
In response to message 16
The host should have a static IP of 192.168.01, and the client should either have a dynamic IP and SyGate’s DHCP server enabled, or the client should have a static IP of 192.168.0.2 with SyGate’s DHCP disabled. The host should not have gateway assigned and the client needs a gateway to the host of 192.168.0.1. The host is a gateway to the Internet via SyGate’s NAT. If you have an IP conflict with the client using a dynamic IP, run winipcfg, select the network adapter, and release and then renew the IP lease. Try to visualize how this beast works. I know it is difficult at first; we all go through the same (sometimes agonizing) experience when first dealing with networks. Larry

18. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-19-00 06:50 PM
In response to message 17
Still no work... I placed a static IP address on my host of 192.168.0.1 for the TCP/IP bound to my Linksys NIC (not my Dial-up adaptor). SYGATE's DHCP server is enabled and the client radio button for dynamic IP address is checked. My host dials out and connects, but my client cannot connect using MS IE. IE is set to use LAN, automatically detect settings.

When the host is connected to the internet, I cannot see the client (and vice versa) on Win Explorer, but as soon as I disconnect from the internet, the client and host can again "see" each other. Is this normal?

No more "conflict" messages though. Davo


19. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
Davo Dec-25-00 01:26 AM
In response to message 18
I resolved my client host internet sharing delema, for anyone who has interest.

I had been sharing a dialup internet connection useing Windows ME ICS for about three months. When I tried to change the location of my host (also changing client HDs for internal user reasons) I couldn't get ICS to work. My new host and client setup could share files but not an internet connection. I tried ICS, SYGATE, WINGATE, Landbridge and VSOCKS software. None of them worked.

I tried a few Registry corrections, documented at a few websites, including this one, to no avail. I formatted and reinstalled WIndows on three of my machines (using backup to keep wanted files). Even with the brand new registries I couldn't get ICS,WINGATE or SYGATE to work! File sharing still worked, I even played LAN video games with one client, and other clients could print to my network printer, but no internet sharing. My host could connect throughout though.

Today, 12/24 I removed my modem and Network cards and reinstalled them in different PCI slots. Upon reboot, Windows "found" new hardware of course. So I connected to the internet. Then I installed VSOCKS, and configured the clients, and holy konolly, it works.

I'm not sure, but I think its the different PCI slots. FOR WHATEVER REASON. With a proxy you have to get all your addresses and DNS settings right, but with ICS, SYGATE and WINGATE they're supposed to set themselves up, so I don't know how I could have gummed that up.

I thank you Larry for you responses. It's good to know guys like you are out here, when we need help. Merry Christmas, and God bless. Davo


20. RE: 4 PC home network shares Files/Printer, but NOT with ICS, used to work
lbyard Dec-26-00 04:05 PM
In response to message 19
It was most like an interrupt conflict that was resolved when the slots were changed. Larry

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