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Windows 98 Peer to Peer Problem
Deler Oct-26-00 03:05 AM
Hi. We've been having a nightmare connecting 4 Windows 98 machines together in a simple peer to peer network. The Windows 98 build on all machines is 4.10.1998 - not second edition.

Notes:

A) On the computers with the VIA motherboards, we have installed the patch which caused Computer 1 and 3 to talk stably between each other. Computer 5 is still a bust.

B) All computers have this model of NIC:
Network Everywhere Ethernet Adapter (NC100 V2) - from Linksys

C) All computers have File and Printer sharing on, the SAME workgroup name for all computers in ALL CAPITALS, and Share Level Access Control checked in the Access Control tab in the Network properties window.

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In this scenario, we have 4 computers:

Computer 1
Computer 3 (ignore Computer 2, as that is another problem altogether
Computer 4
Computer 5

Here are the specs:

Computer 1
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233 MMX with a VIA MB
Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon
Protocols installed:
TCP/IP (IP Address assigned automatically on all) - default protocol

Computer 3
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Some form of MMX Pentium with a VIA MB
Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon
Protocols installed:
TCP/IP (IP Address assigned automatically on all) - default protocol

Computer 4
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166 MMX - Dell build
Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon
Protocols installed:
TCP/IP (IP Address assigned automatically on all) - default protocol
IPX/SPX - with NetBIOS

Computer 5
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233Mhz Pentium with a VIA MB
Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon
Protocols installed:
TCP/IP (IP Address assigned automatically on all) - default protocol

Okay, now for the problem. We have tried the whole system on all 3 protocols: IPX/SPX, NetBEUI and TCP/IP. We have gotten Computers 1 and 3 talking and sharing files. We have also gotten Computers 4 and 5 talking. The problem is combining these 2 seemingly separate networks into one USABLE workgroup.

HUB - NETGEAR 10base-T Ethernet 6 port (EN106tp)

Note: This Network System is being put together for a small Charity Organization who delivers meal to those who have a loss of autonomy - I know that this sounds like a line but really, we are only volunteering here for two weeks more and appreciate all the help we can get at this point.


1. RE: Windows 98 Peer to Peer Problem
lbyard Oct-26-00 03:48 PM
In response to message 0
Let's remove TCP/IP and install NetBEUI on all of the computers and network them (software) according to http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/net2pc/intro.htm. IPX/SPX is for Novell networks and some games. TCP/IP is more complicated and not required except for the Internet. Obtaining an IP automatically may be your problem, as I do not see where you have a Dynamic Host Control Protocol (DHCP) server, the thing that issues IP addresses. A NEBEUI protocol network is easier to troubleshoot. You can run TCP/IP and NetBEUI on the same computer and adapter, but get the easier one working first so you know the network is good.. I would uninstall, restart Windows, and reinstall all network components on all computers to be sure that you do not have lingering problems from previous attempts. VIA motherboards network just fine as long as the IRQ miniport driver is installed to reduce the possibility of network adapter IRQ conflicts (they can still have IRQ conflicts like all PCI motherboards). Larry

2. RE: Windows 98 Peer to Peer Problem
Deler Oct-26-00 04:06 PM
In response to message 1
Larry,

We reinstalled NetBEUI and it's been solidly talking with each other! Thank you very much!

Now, what is the simplest way to share an internet connection with the current setup that we have? Computer 3 has a 56k modem dial-up. We need TCP/IP I suppose? Could you walk me through the steps of what I need to configure on Computer 3 and on the rest of the other computers?

Again, thank you very much! People here are so happy to finally see this alive!


3. RE: Windows 98 Peer to Peer Problem
lbyard Oct-26-00 04:42 PM
In response to message 2
You could install Windows 98 SE or Win Me and use ICS, buy and install SyGate (http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/sygate/sygate.htm), or buy an SMC Barricade router (http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/smc/smc7004br/smc7004br.htm) and an external MODEM. There are many other competing products… I have listed these options from least desirable to the most desirable end result. The last one is the most expensive. http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/win98se/intro.htm has instructions for Win 98 SE ICS. SyGate and the Barricade (except, possibility, getting the external MODEM going, which I have not done with the unit) are very easy to install. Only the computer with the MODEM has to run Win 98 SE or Win Me. SyGate may be the best cost/ease of installation/functionality tradeoff for your configuration/circumstance. You can download a trial copy and give it a spin. Larry

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