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Networking Windows 98 PC's
Burk Sep-17-01 03:33 AM
I am trying to network 2 PC's, both running 98se to use internet connection sharing. Machine A has a Realtek RTL8139 and machine B has an Elements 10/100 ethernet PCI adapter, they are connected with a CAT5 crossover cable. I've tried setting them up using TCP/IP and NETBEUI using the instructions found here and on Microsoft.com. File and printer sharing is set up and I've set up drives to share. The first machine to boot will recognize the other machine, but cannot access it. The second machine to boot displays an error message "unable to browse the network" when trying to access Network Neighborhood. Using "Find" also doesn't work. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

1. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's
lbyard Sep-17-01 04:40 PM
In response to message 0
Checkout the info at these links first:
http://duxcw.com/faq/network/brreq.htm
http://duxcw.com/faq/network/names.htm
http://duxcw.com/faq/network/browsenet.htm
Larry

2. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's
Burk Sep-17-01 09:40 PM
In response to message 1
I had checked out those FAQ's and everything is setup as suggested. I tried the network Diag. tool from Realtek, to check the connection. I'm pretty new at this, so I'm not sure how to interpret the results. It would appear that I can transmit, but am not receiving a reply.

3. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's
lbyard Sep-18-01 02:14 PM
In response to message 2
Many network adapters have a Link LED. Are they on solid? Larry

7. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's
Burk Sep-19-01 11:23 AM
In response to message 3
The Elements card has LED's and the Link is on. I've tried a different Elements card and crossover cable, with no luck. The current attempt has them set up using TCP/IP only, with static IP's. They see themselves and their own shared files, but not each other. I've tried Netbuei and a combination of Netbuei and TCP/IP, with similar results. When I run Winipcfg the only difference between the two other than the IP's is, IP Routing is Enabled on the Realtek PC and not on the Elements PC. Does this need to be enabled on both and if so, how?

4. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
v2 Sep-19-01 06:58 AM
In response to message 0
Mine are also Windows 98SE's PCs and have the similar problem. I even can't see each other PC on either one in Network NeighbourHood or the error message, "unable to browse the network", appears. Everything is installed correctly and the network cards work properly too. Do I need to input any IP, Gateway or DNS addresses for direct the PCs to connect to each other even though I am quite sure they are not needed for peer2peer networking? Please help! Thanx

5. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
gudlife Sep-19-01 08:28 AM
In response to message 4
Install the NETBEUI protocol on both and then TCPIP config issues don't matter at all unless you want to share an internet connection.

6. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
v2 Sep-19-01 08:35 AM
In response to message 5
Yes, I did install NETBEUI on both PCs, but still cannot see each other PC. Should I enable Browse Master in NETBEUI on one of them?

8. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
lbyard Sep-19-01 02:45 PM
In response to message 6
How are they connected. etc.? Are the Link LEDs on solid on the network adapters? Larry

9. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
v2 Sep-19-01 02:53 PM
In response to message 8
One of my two PCs has an onboard lan (Realtek) which doesn't have LED. Another one is using Novell's ISA lan card that the red LED is always on and the green LED flashes once when I restarting Windows.

10. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
v2 Sep-19-01 03:00 PM
In response to message 8
I am sure they are connected correctly by a crossover cable. I have connected them by a crossover cable + extension adapter + normal network cable since they are too far away from each other. Also, I have tried to put them together and connect them by the crossover cable only once I found that it didn't work. However, it still doesn't work by using only a crossover cable.

14. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
lbyard Sep-19-01 04:46 PM
In response to message 10
Iíll tell you right now that improperly made crossover cables cause most of these problems. Please look at http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable6.htm. Hold the two end of the crossover cable with the plugs up and the clips on the plugs away. If the ends are identical, it is not a crossover cable. One end should match one of the color codes and the other end should match the other. If they donít, the cable was not made properly. Inspect both plugs. The wires should all end evenly at the front of the plug. The jacket should end just about where you see it in the diagram at the bottom of http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable7.htm -- right on the line. Does the cable say CAT 5 or CAT 5e on it? The cable should have solid core if it is more than about 10 feet long (Iíve see them as long a 25 feet and they worked). Do you know if the plugs were made for solid core wire? The "extension adapter" may not be wired correctly and not rated CAT 5. The plugs on the straight-thru cable should be identical and match one of the color codes when examined as previously explained. Anyway, to say if quite frankly, your cable is a kluge and very much suspect. It should be tested on an operational network.

The next likely cause is that old ISA network adapter. Can you identify the specific network card? If it has a BNC (coax cable) connector on it, is it set to use the RJ-45 jack. Some boards detect the media automatically, others do it with firmware and are setup with the software on the floppy that comes with the adapter, and others have a jumper. Also, suggest running the diagnostics on the floppies that came with the adapters. The loopback test will fail because you do not have a loopback adapter. Larry


15. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
v2 Sep-20-01 04:26 AM
In response to message 14
Of course, that is a CAT 5e crossover cable. The peer2peer networking doesn't work even though I only use such crossover cable to connect both PCs together without any extra adapter and straight-thru cable.

For the network card, I think it has both BNC and the connector for my crossover cable to be plugged in. My friend gave it to me without any program disk. Should it be the problem of the jumper, I need to take it out and have a look at it to make sure whether it is set to use a coax cable when I am free. Since there is no manual, I may get back to you for the instruction to find the right jumper for using the network-cable-connector. Thanks.


16. RE: Networking Windows 98 PC's (URGENT REQUEST!!!)
v2 Sep-20-01 04:26 AM
In response to message 14
Of course, that is a CAT 5e crossover cable. The peer2peer networking doesn't work even though I only use such crossover cable to connect both PCs together without any extra adapter and straight-thru cable.

For the network card, I think it has both BNC and the connector for my crossover cable to be plugged in. My friend gave it to me without any program disk. Should it be the problem of the jumper, I need to take it out and have a look at it to make sure whether it is set to use a coax cable when I am free. Since there is no manual, I may get back to you for the instruction to find the right jumper for using the network-cable-connector. Thanks.


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